
If I'm being terribly honest, I'm not a big fan of the wedding kiss.
A couple of years ago, when two dear friends got married, I cheered inside after, "I now pronounce you man and wife," was, for once, not inexorably followed with, "You may kiss the bride." This couple agreed with me -first kisses are a special, sweet kind of romance that are best shared in private -not in front of the prying eyes of two hundred people. Instead, the groom whisked the bride away and they had their first kiss without the gawkers.
Those poor gawkers. I promise, half of the talk after the wedding was about how people "didn't get to see the first kiss." I'm in the minority, but I took it upon myself to scold, "Their first kiss isn't for you, you know -it's for them!" I realize that first kisses are a way to show the covenant between man and wife --but I think I will have showed the audience enough covenanting by then... I mean, I did say, "I do," didn't I?
So I'm known to cross my arm in stubbornness when it comes to wedding kisses: "If I haven't kissed him before, I'm not kissing him then." We'll see how that plays out --I promise not to keep you updated ;-).
Whether your first kiss happens at the altar or afterwards, on the front porch after your first date or after you've been presented with the engagement ring, I think we can all agree that first kisses are special, and most women I've talked to will always remember theirs.
Kissing conversations. I've had my fair share. With girls who have never been kissed, debating over whether or not they'll kiss before the altar, at the altar, or after the altar... to the extreme opposite side of the spectrum, with girls in their young teens playing a game of truth-or-dare where they revealed their first kiss. Out of five girls -and being the oldest, at fifteen -I cleared my throat about ten times before admitting, "I've never been kissed."
"Well, what do you do when you go on a date, and he says goodnight?" someone asked me.
I shrugged. "I don't date."
Her eyes were as round as saucers. "Not 'till you're sixteen?"
Now, I grinned. All eyes were pinned on me. I had an opportunity to answer the question that many young women have asked me how on earth to answer! It's the question I've avoided writing about on this blog because the "dating/courtship" debate usually either turns into an ugly finger-pointing argument wherein the "pure" line up on one side of the room and the "impure" line up on the other... or a "yes man" echo-chamber where the likeminded commune to cast stones at the "harlots" (a relative term that I've heard to mean anything from a girl who had her first kiss before she got married to the loose woman in Proverbs 7). In either case, such a showdown is not my cup of tea.
However, given the resurgence of the requests in Thursday's post, and given the bravery of my friend Mrs. Kelly, I've been inspired to swallow my trepidation and step into the ring, so to speak.
I'm swallowing my trepidation the same way I did at fifteen, during years where, having been carefully discipled by my parents, I was looking forward to proving my mettle at the school of my erstwhile dreams, UCLA, where I wanted to learn all I could about filmmaking and join the ranks of my favorite director, M. Night Shyamalan. Yes, "even" then, before the whole "stay at home daughter" thing, I wasn't planning on dating. The movement away from the system is not some fringe, fundamentalist shift. It wasn't a decision that I was embarrassed about.
"I've really got a lot of other things on my plate right now," I explained simply. "I want a lot of things out of life. I'm not ready to get married, so I don't have the time or energy to expend bouncing around from guy to guy until I find Mr. Right."
Wide-eyed again, my questioner continued, "So what are you going to do when you're ready?"
"I'll talk to my parents about it, and we'll make the decisions together."
The inevitable question that follows will come in many forms, but the one you're probably most familiar with (and maybe the one you're asking yourself right now) is "What does that look like?"
My answer is always a simple, "I don't know." The Bible does have principles regarding finding a spouse, but there is no passage with the 1, 2, 3's of courtship and dating, and to suggest that there is walks dangerously close to legalism. "Courtship" and "dating" are, in and of themselves, difficult words to define with a myriad of meanings. When I say, "I don't date," I mean, "I don't engage in casual, serial romantic relationships with the opposite sex." When I say, "I believe in courtship" I don't mean, "My dad will go out and let me know when he's found the guy I'm going to marry."
I don't know who my husband will be, how well we'll know each other before he becomes interested in me romantically, if he'll be someone who lives right in my backyard or someone I'll meet overseas, if my dad will meet him first and introduce us or if I'll meet him first and approach my parents, if he'll be a man who grew up with the same mindset about dating that I have, or if he's been a man who's used to the game I've so long avoided -I don't know about his first kiss -I don't know about the first time he ever fell in love -I don't know if he will have had a first date, or several.
All I can control is my conviction that romance is not a game, and that heavy words like "I love you" -when not weighed in light of a commitment -can be confusing -that "little" things like kisses and flutters of the heart can turn into big problems when we don't approach them with wisdom and discernment. At fifteen, I didn't have that discernment. At twenty -head-over-heels in love -I would be very glad to have four extra discerning eyes in the form of my parents when I move forward with heavy romantic decisions.
Because "I love you" is special -because first kisses are priceless -I want to walk the minefield of romance (is anyone else singing Love is a Battlefield in their heads right now, or is that just me?) circumspectly. If you are careful with your romantic decisions, this is not weakness, insecurity, or repression -it's wisdom (Proverbs 15:22).
Because "I love you" is special -because first kisses are priceless -I want to walk the minefield of romance (is anyone else singing Love is a Battlefield in their heads right now, or is that just me?) circumspectly. If you are careful with your romantic decisions, this is not weakness, insecurity, or repression -it's wisdom (Proverbs 15:22).
What do you say when someone asks you whether or not you date? How do you answer the "How will you know that you love someone if you never date " question? What do you do when a stranger asks you out on a date (yes, it does happen)? What do you do when someone that you really like doesn't share your convictions about dating, but wants to get to know you?
Don't pull out your soap box or your battle-axe. Speak calmly, concisely, and relationally. Don't talk about people "out there" and the mistakes that "they" make -speak in first person about your convictions and your choices. The conversation will go a lot smoother if you don't wear your lack of a first kiss or a first date like a badge of honor that ought to shame the blushless world.
A question I don't get quite as often comes from young women who have dated, who have been in love, who have had their first kisses, who have lived with ex-boyfriends, who have had their hearts broken... to whom the purity discussion can seem like a slap in the face, even when our words are seasoned with grace.
A question I don't get quite as often comes from young women who have dated, who have been in love, who have had their first kisses, who have lived with ex-boyfriends, who have had their hearts broken... to whom the purity discussion can seem like a slap in the face, even when our words are seasoned with grace.
Here's the thing about love -our God in Heaven has a limitless supply (1 John 4:8). Even when you've been hurt by romance -even when you've sinned in your heart or with your mind or even with your body -the Lord mends (Psalm 32). You are never secondhand goods -at least, not anymore than any of the rest of us who have fallen are -we have all been restored in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). Yes, we are commanded to flee sexual immorality (1 Corinthians 6:18) -yes, sin -any sin -is a grievous thing. But how often do we -instead of grieving with our brothers and sisters -puff up at the sins we have not committed? If you have found yourself guilty of sinning in this way against your sisters in Christ, I urge you to repent -such a heart is not fitting for a daughter of the King.
Yes, purity is important -purity of thoughts and purity of action. This is why it is so important for us young women to safeguard ourselves in the way we speak, in the way we act, in the way we think, in the way we dress, in the people that we spend our time with. We want to be presented to our husband as "spotless brides," as the Church was presented to Christ (Ephesians 5:22ff) --however, Christ has loved His Church throughout the ages... even when we faltered, and it was only because of his sacrifice that we are seen as "spotless" (Romans 5:6-10). If you are in need of encouragement in this area, I recommend this article by Dr. Russell Moore (not for young readers).
Having the dating discussion is like walking a tightrope between condemnation and conviction. We'll can easily fall off on either side when we don't understand God's grace -which rescued us from our sin not based on our merit (Ephesians 2:8)... and brought us into the glorious light of a new life (John 14:15). The purpose of talking about dating, courtship, purity, and romance is not to puff ourselves up with pride or to bury ourselves in guilt -it is to encourage our brothers and sisters in Christ -wherever they are on this journey -to give yet another area of their lives over to Christ, to repent of our sins -from sins in our hearts to the sins done with our hands -and to lean on God's grace in the trenches of the battlefield of the world.
All right. After two years of blogging, I've finally said my piece. Now, I'm retreating to wait for the rotten tomatoes... ;-)
All right. After two years of blogging, I've finally said my piece. Now, I'm retreating to wait for the rotten tomatoes... ;-)
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I have to agree fully with the whole dating thing... never want to, never have (and never been kissed)
Having been one of the "harlots," though in today's society, I was pure as gold (but in God's eyes, no), I had 2 boyfriends before I met my husband. I wasted my first kiss when I was only 12 years old with a boy who didn't care a peach about me. Although I was prepared to marry my second boyfriend, I was just a "bit of fun" for him.
Thankfully, I went to the marriage bed a virgin, but in other ways, not so pure. At the time, I thought the whole dating/courtship and wedding kiss thing no big deal. But now that I am older, wiser and look back with shock at my teen years, I have to say, I agree with you, though I do not cast stones at those lovely Christian couples who do allow for a smooch or two before marriage. :)
I LOVE IT!!! You said exactly what I would have liked t have said, I was asked the same thing at that aga and had somewhat the same plans and the same answer! I have never been kissed, but I have held hands and said I love you, it was a passing thing and I knew it, I was just being rebelious. God brought me around and I am so happy that I have Jesus on my side. I am hoping that Mr. Right is around the corner, but if not, I know God's timing is perfect and this time I won't mess it up (LORD WILLING). I hope no one throws any rotten tomatoes at you :P I LOVE YOUR POSTS, keep up the good work and you'll be rewarded, if not earthly, then heavenly. May God Bless!!!
Thank you for sharing your views. I agree completely. You have done an excellent job in conveying your heart. As someone who did play the dating game as a teen and in my early 20's I back you up when you say "it's not a game". The feelings, affection and love are meant for our husbands. I am going to print this article off for my 12 year old daughter. She seems to be on the same page as I am, but I believe hearing someone else with my opinion will be good for her. Thank you again; you and your blog have been such a blessing.
WOW!!! I had NEVER thought about how I can actually leave the altar to have my first kiss! All these years, I've been dedicated to saving my first kiss for my wedding, but I have to admit I've felt, well, resigned. I mean, it's so unromantic to have everyone else watching your first kiss. And what if you mess up and bump noses or something and everyone laughs? At your WEDDING!
You have seriously made my day, Jasmine! I am now on cloud nine! I will wait for my wedding day and still have my first kiss in private!!!! :)
On a less exuberant note, I agree with everything you've said in this post. The dating game is just too sad.
-Rachel C
Very well written, and very courageous. I always like reading what you write because it always gives me hope: there are still those out there who think right.
I have always had misgivings about the kiss at the altar. I mean, it is the first kiss, the symbol and initial act of sexual union: it is a holy and private thing, not a show.
But I never thought about it in depth until now, and I am now firmly of the belief that my first kiss will be in private.
I would like to say though, that I am one of those radicals who doesn't think arranged marriages (of a sort) are all that bad.
Marriage is very ceremonial affair, but I don't see as much of the Bible and Christ in them as we should. I want to design my own rituals in collaboration with my family and my future wife's family in a way that glorifies Him and His plan for marriage.
With joy and peace in Christ,
Jay Lauser aka Sir Emeth Mimetes
I love the first two paragraphs!!!! My husband and I didn't kiss in our wedding either. I didn't want it to be a performance, and I like to keep those things more private. Plus it relieved a lot of pressure to make your first kiss look good. :-)
Before I was saved I messed up. I didn't care who I gave my heart to and kissing was a fun activity that i had no trouble doing. Now that G-d has saved my soul I realize that i was the harlot(body no, but in spirit yes) that the bible talks so much about. It breaks my heart to know that on my wedding night my first kiss will not be with my husband who has waited and kept his self pure. The thought of even staying single has crossed my mind. I could never expect any pure man to want me ( a very blemished and unpure woman.) I know that G-d forgives us and makes us pure in his sight, and I am so thankful for his unending mercy and love. As for the dating v.s. courtship, I agree with courtship wholeheartedly. I have tried the dating game before and I can ASSURE you that it does not glorify G-d in any manner.
P.s. I don't do rotten tomatoes:P Their nasty and smelly lol
Wow, I didn't realize anybody else thought the same way I do about wedding kisses.
Great post!
~Amanda~
A question for you ladies that are planning to/did keep your first kiss private, what did you do at the end of the ceremony? Did you just "skip" that part? I'd like to know more about this. I don't want my first kiss to be a show, either.
Thank you :)
Rebekah
Jasmine, I really like this post. With getting married next month, being able to know that I would be sharing my first kiss with my husband would have been amazing.
However sadly, that is not the case, but I am so thankful for the things that I do know now and will do my utmost to encourage girls coming behind me that this is the model they should follow.
I love the whole idea of knowing that you when you're ready to get married you can engage the help, guidance and wisdom of your parents to ensure that things stay on track.
Thank you for your honesty and boldness.
Hi Jasmine,
This post was right on time and and a good reminder. I just recently turned 32, still unmarried and no prospects, but I know God my Father is my all and he will provide if it's His will.
These two statements stood out to me:
"What do you say when someone asks you whether or not you date? How do you answer the "How will you know that you love someone if you never date " question? What do you do when a stranger asks you out on a date (yes, it does happen)? What do you do when someone that you really like doesn't share your convictions about dating, but wants to get to know you? Don't pull out your soap box or your battle-axe. Speak calmly, concisely, and relationally. Don't talk about people "out there" and the mistakes that "they" make -speak in first person about your convictions and your choices."
Even since I was a young girl I've always been challenged by this and I have to work on a response! lol Recently I've been asked out (in various ways) by unsaved men and I think I chickened out in this area. This is definitely an area I need to work on!
Also: "But how often do we -instead of grieving with our brothers and sisters -puff up at the sins we have not committed?"
I recently had a sober moment with an older woman who'd went through abortion who was apparently still hurt by it and as I talked to her basically she said that I don't really know since I've never experienced it. So, yeah, I had to humble myself and admit I had not. Now, my life has been impure in many ways, even though the result (by the grace of God) was not an "accident' pregnancy. So, I find myself a little more sensitive to women who have gone through that experience. But, also, I find some folks, who are quick to say "such and such should be getting discipled" or whatever instead of sympathizing with the person who may have been hurt or struggled in the past with impurity (whether emotionally or physically) because they have not had that experience or has a certain view of how brother and sister in Christ relationships should be.
Sorry for typing so much. Thanks again for your insight! God Bless and may you continue to walk in your convictions!
No tomatoes from my end! I am very much in agreement and I was brought up the same way. What you have written is wise and I wish Christians, who still think it is okay to date and that they only have to be concerned with abstinence, would come to see beyond these worldly standards to pure mindedness.
As for the kiss at the alter, I never thought about not doing it. Personally I am terrified of being in front of so many and I agree about it being a private thing. However, I have to admit that whenever I go to a wedding I am looking forward to the kiss! It is like, yeah, yeah, the I dos, get to the good stuff! Haha! That is the romantic in me, though. ;)
Wow, I never really thought about the whole 'wedding kiss' thing. I just assumed that it was something everyone does, but now, I will have to say I agree with you! Also about the not dating part. I'm not going to date, and I haven't been kissed. (I am only 14) but I know other 14 year old's who have been and who really don't care.
I've had the same conversation with lots of my relatives. They asked me near my 14th birthday "So, now that you're 14, do you have a boyfriend yet?" I replied
"Nope."
"Well, when's he gonna come along."
"Never, I don't date."
"But if you don't date how are you going to find the right guy?"
"Well, The Lord will chose one for me. I'll just wait on him. The young man will go to my father and ask him if we can have a courtship (I had to explain what that was) and then, we can get married." My relatives were speechless for a while, then my aunt (who really is sweet) said, "Well, you're going to be a little old fashioned girl aren't you?" I smiled and agreed. I find no problem with being 'old-fashioned' in that way!
I absolutely loved this post. I've never thought of saving your first kiss for after the wedding. It would definitely be more special for the couple (even though the crowd would be upset) ;). Thank you for sharing your wisdom, Jasmine.
Jasmine,
To a homeschool graduate who has never dated, said "I love you" (to any guy but my dad!), and wants to save her first kiss till marriage, you're post was very encouraging. I had decided about 1-2 years ago that I wouldn't have my first kiss in front of dozens of gaping spectators, but in private afterwards. I'm so glad to meet someone who feels the same! My first kiss isn't something that should scream "Look at me, world! I'm so special!" It should be something special between my husband, God, and me!
I love how you always voice your convictions, but always tell us to beware of pride! Many of my friends have been in relationships and I have had to answer some hard questions from them, but I've always tried to keep my heart soft and understanding. Christ loves them and if I am judgmental then I will lose any friendship with them that could have been beneficial for both of us! My parents are the perfect example of how God can turn a relationship around (which happened before I was born), and I think it's because of them that I know what God can do in the lives of to two people.
Thanks for this wonderful post!!! (May I throw some flowers your way instead of rotten tomatoes?)
God bless!
Rachel
Jasmine, what a wonderful post!!!! It is so exciting to me that there are other like minded young women out there.... it often feels like I am alone in my convictions - especially in this area! And I so much appreciate the completely honest, open, yet always loving way you are able to address "touchy" topics. So thank you many times over for the encouragement in Christ.
Great tips on "what to say" when asked about dating...
I had honestly never thought about the possibility of NOT having the first kiss at the altar - as Rachel C. said, I was rather "resigned" to it. Now I have a load off my mind! :) If it is the Lord's will for me to marry someday, my first kiss will be with my husband - in private!
This was perfect timing! I need to know that there ARE more girls (my age or not) who share the same convictions.
I always wanted to have my first kiss at the altar, but I have a whole new outlook on that precious moment. I DO want it to be in private, a symbol of purity between my husband and I. It really isn't a show. I thank you for your courage. Please post more about this topic, I'd love to hear more.
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THANK YOU! I have always dreaded the fact that saving my first kiss till marriage meant I would display it in front of every single person I know on Wedding Day. I had thought about doing it in private but didn't know how that would work...but I am encouraged by all the agreeing comments. I really feel like it should be a sweet and private thing, not something for all the guests to watch and comment on and analyze whether we did a "good job" (yes, I have heard these discussions with my own ears).
Agree totally with you on dating/courting...doesn't it make for such interesting conversations? :)
And I am always singing "Battlefield" to myself. :) I think it truly is a battlefield more than we realize even, because this is such a huge issue for especially girls and Satan can successfully distract us for whole years of our life with boy obsessions and crushes.
Thanks Jasmine!
Kelsey :o)
Words well said!
Hi Jasmine,
This is a good thought provoking post. And one that for me is very much been in my mind since three girls from our church are getting married this year.
I totally agree that kisses should be saved for marriage, but to be honest I never thought about "kiss the bride" that way. It is a good thought but I think (because of TV) that we really look forward to that fairy tale part of the wedding.
So even though your kiss the bride view was something I never thought about (and something I will have to think on) I enjoyed the article very much. Thank you.
~Miss Hannah K.
Thank you so much Jasmine! Another wonderful post. Your words encourage me so much. I've been thinking on the issue of saving my first kiss for the wedding, and talking it over with my parents. I'm still not sure how I stand. "Would it be ok to kiss after I'm engaged, or should I wait till I'm married?" I just don't know. I like to idea of saving it till after the wedding. I'll have to think and pray over this some more. Are there any verses in the Bible that explain your veiwpoint? That would be very helpful. Thank you so much!
Heidi
I actually don't really consider it a viewpoint, Heidi -just a personal preference. ;-) Biblically, I have to say I don't have a conviction either way, whether kissing happens between engaged couples, at the alter, or afterwards!
It's amusing to me how much attention that section of the article is getting -I just thought it was a quirky way to open things up, and it's become the main topic of discussion. =D
Great post Jasmine! it's amazing the extent of which the dating culture has gone, and you know it's not just teens. In the little town that I grew up in I remember standing in a line in pre-school listening to the other girls talk about which boys they liked best. This only got worse the older we got. I'm so grateful that God gave my newly converted parents the wisdom that this wasn't right (now granted, at this time we were still okay with dating just not young). However, I was still surrounded by that dating culture. I remember sitting and listening to my best friend at ages 6-11 tell me the latest gossip about who had a new boyfriend and who was in love with who. One day she even told me under "sworn secrecy" about a mutual friend (7) who received her first kiss from her "pre-school sweetheart". As I said, it is almost unbelievable how far reaching the dating culture has gone. Though there were times when I doubted my parents convictions and were tempted by my friend's attempts to "hook me up" with someone I am so grateful for the Lord's protection in that regard. I think it so sad how many girls-young girls even- are being swept away by this culture. This is an issue on which we must take a stand. Thank you for such a great post.
Jasmine,
You so eloquently put into words everything I believe about dating and waiting! Thank you!
It is kind of humorous how many folks zeroed in on that kissing-after-the-wedding bit. :)
As for me...I think I'd like my first kiss to be a private affair. :)
I've never thought about not kissing at the ceremony-food for thought. Amen to everything! I am glad to read purity and not dating talked about realistically and not from a self righteous perspective- really, its refreshing.
Blessings!
Katherine
I live near a living history museum, and during their mock weddings the groom takes off his hat and covers his and the brides face for their first kiss. I'm not sure if this is historically accurate or if they do it because the actual people are not really getting married, but I kind of like the idea even if it's not historically accurate : )
It's the path we are headed with our daughters ages 18, 16, 10 and 7.
We have had two nieces (sisters) who married without ever having dated - one was 28 when she married her 31 year old husband last year. Neither had dated or given their hearts to anyone before! It is so awesome!
When our younger niece married, it made me dislike "first kisses" at the alter...well actually it was after at the reception when her bridesmaids just kept saying "kiss her again" over and over.
I said to my husband "This time is special to them, not a game!" I thought her friends silly and childish.
So I am with you on both things!
I am so excited about our wedding kiss, because it's our first one and because I've always pictured it as part of the wedding and also really wanted to use that as a witness to the younger girls I know. That's just my personal preference, and I don't mind the public part only because it's such a big part of the imagined wedding for me. (And I love it when people tinkle their glasses at receptions!)
I really appreciated this post though, and think it would be terrible for a bride to feel pressured to have it in her wedding.
Love,
Cait
Dear Jasmine - I have just recently started reading your blog - my daughter reads and loves it, so I started reading it (you know, being a mother...). I just wanted to encourage you with something that I see in all your posts. You shine with grace toward others - your gentleness with other people, and where they are on the path, is the overriding thing in all your posts. It is why people learn from you, instead of being turned off by what you say. Humility being what it is, and so easily turned to pride, I still wanted to thank you for your ministry to all the young women (and some, like me, not so young) who read your blog.
Please feel no need to post this, Jasmine, but I wanted to note that I think the word you're looking for is "altar"...not "alter" which means "to change." ;)
Great post...friend of mine linked to it Google Reader, and I appreciated your winsome spirit (as usual) in sharing your thoughts. Blessings!
I wish I'd had your wisdom a few years ago.... My mom "made" me read Joshua Harris' books, and so for a short while I was "anti-dating," but once I developed a mutual crush, that mind-set didn't last too long. One intense relationship, then it ended, then solace-seeking in guy after guy for a couple years... *sigh* Now I'm joyfully married to the most amazing man in the world, and I can't tell you how much we wish we could go back and change things. We have forgiven each other and God has forgiven us as well, but we still carry some scars from what were supposed to be "fun" dating relationships that will probably follow us for a long, long time. Thank you for your post; I only hope that someone who's in the situation I was in only a few years ago may read it and take heed--I only wish that someone could have been me!
Thanks for your great article, Jasmine! I remember trying to explain "courtship" to relatives and friends at age 12--some people just don't want to understand!(-;
Also, I had never ever considered the possibility of kissing in private after the ceremony, but you brought into my realm of consideration! Thanks!
Again, quite wise and discerning, and so unlegalistic! Second anon, I'm so glad you're not judgemental either :) And I agree about the annoying goggling at weddings; no wonder some kiss before marriage. You've convinced me not to do that at my wedding either, Jasmine, and I'd never thought of it before. Besides, begging pardon, but I don't expect anyone else to have the license to tell me when I may kiss my other half!
I never knew that you could actually not kiss at the altar. I've always wanted to save my wedding kiss till later and in private but I never knew that you could actually do that! i'm kinda stumped on the whole issue of kissing while engaged and such and i'm not so sure what my stand is on that yet. but thank you for sharing with us all...it has truly been a blessing!
This was an excellent post. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts. Our family has studied out courtship, and together made the decision to follow it in the future. This was a difficult decision given the fact that most of my children have been adopted at an older age, and it was hard to let go of the hopes they had when they were living in the world. It's been wonderful to see God change their hearts.
My oldest daughter at home is 16. She is from Liberia, W. Africa. In some ways she wants very much to marry, and we continue to pray with her so she will "stay asleep." Your post, which is so real and honest, will be encouraging to her. I can't wait for her to read it:)
I really appreciate your posts. I'm a mother newly embarking on this territory, and you've had great insight.
Dear Jasmine,
Thank you so much for all the thought and care you take in everything on your blog, I enjoy reading it so much.
Reading your post about the wedding kiss, and the comments that followed, reminded me of something I noticed a couple weeks ago.
There was a thread on a website I was part of and it was mentioned that someone had been to a wedding where the bride and groom seemed embarrassed by their first kiss. My reaction was - if they were embarrassed why would they do it?
After talking with my mother I have come to the conclusion that, perhaps it may be that it never occurs to people that they don't to do it. It seems similar to the whole dating/courtship thing, I've gotten a few looks and interested questions along the line of "What is courting?" It is sad that most people don't seem to know that courting is an option - I heard of a young man that was told about courting and said that, sure, it worked in theory, but he didn't think it would work in real life.
Well, this comment is long enough:) Thanks again!
Abby
A good reminder of why I don't/won't date. The world is so used to it, that the old and proper way is completely foreign to them!
And I've never thought about not kissing at the alter. I've always known I wanted to save my first kiss until after "I do", but this is a new thought. Thanks for bringing it up. Something to think about...
God Bless!
Jasmine,
Thank you for putting this so beautifully, honestly, so non-judgementally...just getting right
down to the heart of the matter - the heart. Truly it is what matters, not the fact that we are
physically reserved or not, that we are going to "date" or "court"...it is as you summed it up, giving one more aspect of life over to Christ. AMEN!!
Thank you!
Sarah
PS> I was really excited to hear that you're going to publish a book - *finally* :) what a waste it'd be for a good writer like you not to write a book. :) This week my mom is editing my book for the final time. I am so excited to be so near done!
I have found your article very interesting and I agree with you on not dating however I have never thought about not kissing at the altar. May I ask you though- what about that being a testimony of purity to others? And if the first kiss should be done in private… what about the second? I totally respect your opinion on this subject… I was just wondering.
A Sister in Christ
Anon,
A kiss at the altar is hardly the only way to give a testimony of purity at a wedding. Wedding traditions -from the white gown to the giving away of the bride, even to a sermon at the wedding -can be used to convey the same thing, without embarrassing the couple if they'd rather kiss in private. ;-)
Jasmine,
i am new to your blog. I came across two of your articles so far by way of LAF and I've got to tell you, both articles are the most thorough and balanced articles I have ever read on the subject of modesty and purity.
I will wholeheartedly be recommending your blog to my 14 year old daughter!
God bless you for your willingness to be used by Him through your writing! Keep those articles coming!
Hi Jasmine,
I just had to post again because a new thought just occurred to me earlier this afternoon;
While the kiss is something shared between the man and his new wife I just thought of something - the first kiss is a gift, a precious, priceless gift to the man you are going to spend the rest of your life with. So, when the time comes that I get to plan my wedding I think I am going to ask my intended what he would like to do for that first kiss, because it is my gift to him and maybe he would rather 'claim' it in private. If so, I'll just make sure to get a photo of the second kiss:)
Abby
Dear Jasmine,
Thank you for your answer! I think I understand what you are saying. :)
A Sister in Christ
Miss Kelseye,
Did you read the article I linked to, by Dr. Moore? I highly recommend it; I think you will find quotes like these most encouraging:
"You are not 'owed' a virgin because you are. Your sexual purity wasn’t part of a quid pro quo in which God would guarantee you a sexually unbroken man. Your sexual purity is your obligation as a creature of God. And you have rebelled at other points, and been forgiven. If you believe the gospel, you believe the gospel for everyone, and not just for yourself."
You've got to read the whole thing to get the gist of this quote, but the entire article is a good reminder for us on *either* side of the fence, for those who have "messed up" (and we all have, in different ways), to those of us who have not (in the particular way you're speaking of).
First kisses are special, but God's grace is infinitely *more* special, and when your future husband looks at you, I hope all he sees is a precious woman who the Lord has redeemed -just as I hope my husband sees when he looks at me (among other virtues, right? ;-) That's really the best gift that the Lord can give him.
Love,
Jasmine
I wasn't planning to post, but I guess I'll provide the minority opinion.
I choose to date, though to be honest, I don't go on many dates. Think it's awkward to explain why you choose not to date? I've got it worse. I've neither "kissed dating goodbye" nor kissed a guy. I used to be really embarrased about that, but now I'm fine with waiting. (But not all the way to my wedding day!)
I don't see a great benefit to "courtship" as currently defined in Christian circles. However, I also don't let "dates" become "boyfriends" as quickly as many people I know. (Hence the lack of a first kiss.) Everybody talks about the importance of "guarding your heart," but I'm afraid I overdo it. It's so ingrained in my personality. I'm someone that needs to be encouraged to take risks, overcome shyness, and befriend people rather than fear them. Dating helps me in those areas. Plus, any path to marriage is risky. "The course of true love never did run smooth," and all that.
If I were to wait until my wedding day for my first kiss though, it would be a peck on the cheek or hand at the altar. (Like in "Bride and Prejudice," one of my favorite movies. Jane Austen goes Bollywood!) The idea of a giant, hollywood-style smooch for your first kiss, with an audience, just seems gross rather than romantic.
Hey -interesting post.
Did you know they were talking about this article at Free Jinger?
http://freejinger.yuku.com/topic/1700/t/In-praise-of-J-B.html
~Mel
Hi, Mel --
I'm.... "flattered?" ;-)
Okay, seriously: comments are always open to those who truly wish to discuss what I write here (I haven't gotten any -directly -regarding this post)--the snarkers are free to snark with as much ammunition as I give them, which -since I'm still blogging -is a lot.
And I'm offered the opportunity that all of us need to learn: not to take ourselves too seriously, not to think that there's a magic pill that will make others agree with us, and to be comfortable enough in our own skin -and convictions -to "turn the other cheek," as it were. Still learning. ;-)
Thanks for sharing, though! I'm still amazed that the kissing thing is such a big deal. =)
J
Diana,
Even though we have a slightly different take on the dating/courtship issue, we do have something else in common: I *love* Bride and Prejudice -what a fun movie! =D Gotta love Austen... and gotta love Bollywood. ;-)
Hmm, never thought of it that way. I like that! Makes it even more special.
Thank you so much for having the courage to share. I unforetunately was one that went off to college fully committed to courtship but out on my own when the first guy came by and swept me off my feet, I chose to do what "felt" right. I had lived the lie in highschool (while homeschooled) that I would never "do that". I looked down on those young ladies who did not keep themselves pure. Yet our God knows how to humble us and draw us to Himself. I did give myself away to a young man that ended up not caring and I was just another girl on his list. Yet I walked away pregnant. I had become what I said I never would be, "If any of you thinks he stand, take heed lest you fall". Yet through all of the heartache and grief with disobedience I have also seen the GREAT mercy of our God. He is so compassionate to bring me to my knees so quickly. I did not waller in sin for even a year. He brought me out of that pit and even blessed me with a daughter, who, by His grace and my mom's help, I am raising to love the Lord. Praise God for His mercy and kindness!
Thank you so much for your postings! They are very encouraging!
Mallory,
Thank you so much for sharing that with us. I am so grateful for the reminder of how importance humility is in this battle. I pray that the Lord continues to lavish you with his grace, and that you sweet daughter appreciates the testimony of her mother's life.
I began reading this piece with trepidation. You see, I waited for my husband... our first kiss was a couple weeks before we got engaged... I never dated or courted anyone before him. But his past was not like mine. And sometimes all of these purity discussions can hurt me because they remind me of that. Your post was truly gracious and hopeful and redemptive. Thank you.
Hi, Anna!
It was such a sweet treat to get a comment from you -I *love* your blog, and so enjoyed following your courtship/engagement/marriage/baby story! I really appreciate your kind words, and am so glad that the Lord was able to use what I said to encourage you.
Congratulations on your new little blessing, and may the Lord continue to bless and encourage you in this new journey as a wife and mommy!
WONDERFUL!! I totally agree with you!! No rotten tomatoes headed your way from me. :) Thanks for the wonderful advice for answers for questioning people! I haven't had very many questions yet, but I'll file this for the future. ;)
Anyway, this is very encouraging, as always!
Hehe. And I agree with wedding kisses. Didn't know I was the only one.
My first kiss was given to me by my husband while we were in our committed courtship. The desire of my heart was to give my kiss to the man who would be my husband, whether that be during courtship, engagement or the wedding ceremony. Our first kiss was incredibly special and I can't imagine sharing it with all the guests at our wedding. I have no regrets about kissing before marriage. God looks on the heart and our hearts and actions were pure before him. :)
Thanks for your article. It is important to support our decisions with love and grace. I have chosen courtship and to wait to have first kiss on wedding day it's always good to know what you are going to say to support decisions. I have seen in the past where friends of mine/people I knew felt judged instead of loved always a good reminder . To love and watch our words but also to tell truth thanks for the reminder.
p.s. I never thought about the whole go away to have first kiss, but it is a good idea for many
hi Jasmine,
this is my second comment on your blog, and i still am in awe at your skiiled writing.
i never knew you can NOT kiss at the wedding i just thought that's how it went. i'd also thought it was kind of mandatory to date before engagement and further on. but i suppose that is simply because i have been surrounded by that culture.
i am seriously disturbed as that today on the train home- i had all this time to my self- i realized that at 14, i was letting TV, music and friends opinions shape me. this frightened me. i'm seriously considering giving up TV and music. i'd like to know your opinion even though it may or may not influience my decision. i'm praying about it for now. i'm praying for you and thanks for expressing your thoughts and insight.
This is for Naomi:
hi, I am 14 like you, so I understand where you are coming from. Giving up TV would be a good idea, as far as TV shows go, but there are some very good Christian movies out there that can strengthen your faith. BUT even with those you have to be sure that you are getting a 'christian' movie that is really a christian movie. So many go in that disguise, but teach doctrine that is false.
DON'T give up music!!!!! I play music, I love music! It just depends on WHAT music. If you like things that are more upbeat, try Hillsong, or Delirious? Ginny Owens is really good to, she's been blind since she was 2 years old, and sings for the Lord with a VERY godly worldview. Her song 'Who are you Listening to?' reminds me a lot of your story actually. There is a lot of good Christian music out there, but as for the rest of it, it's best to drop that. Music can be used by the Lord in many ways, but it can also be used for the devil. you have to be careful, but don't drop all music, just the bad stuff.
Naomi,
I think Cuppycake gave you some very good advice. =)
With anything -from TV to music to movies -moderation is key -and in any of these areas, if you find you are being easily led into sin, give them up for a time to refocus on the Lord, and pray for his leading in your decision, as well as consulting both of your parents.
Thank you so much for your comment -and for your prayers. =)
J
wow!
I had the same thoughts about kissing at the altar. I mean, it's romance, not a display! Plus, it's now you kiss the bride, and it's too structured and formal! I totally agree with you. Thanks for the great article, keep them coming! you're an amazing writer.
In Christ Alone,
Haley
Hi. I just realized that used the wrong account to post my comment with, so I am re-submitting it with the right one.
Great post! I loved reading different thoughts on "the wedding kiss." Have never thought about this personally, but it makes so much sense.
For me, as with Proverbs 31, I have held hands, hugged, and said I love you, but I was in rebellion. I praise the Lord every day that He was gracious enough to preserve my first kiss though. He brought me out of my rebellion, turned me in the opposite direction and I am more determined than ever to have the Lord and my parents be a part of choosing my husband. The joy I have now in knowing that I am doing what He has called me to do is unexplainable.
My Knight In Dented Armor is out there and I pray for him daily and hopefully his first kiss has been saved as well. While I wait for the Lord's perfect timing in bringing us together, I rest in the arms of my Heavenly Prince and rejoice in His unfailing love
Very well said Jasmine!
I have been thinking a lot and trying to prepare in my character traits for the day that I will give my heart to another man.
Your thoughts about the first kiss made me ponder some things.
On one hand I agree with you, it is something sacred and special that has been kept safe all your life. But on the other hand I can think of several weddings of like-minded couples that we have attended that I just started crying with overwhelming joy when I saw that first kiss. It calls for some consideration.
Thank you again Jasmine for boldly proclaiming the truth and being a light to us like-minded daughters!
The man that will be blessed to call you wife is getting one amazing woman.
(BTW tell you dad that his 'Marriage by Design' inspired all our friends and got me so excited. We loved it when he said "If I could have, I would have been born married!")
Hello! Greetings in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ.
I'm nearly sixteen, and am getting close to marriageble age (as I believe in getting married young. No better time to start then when you're still full of energy!) I'm not quite sure on the whole 'kissing-after-the-wedding' thing, but I do know I will NOT kiss before marriage. Any number of things can and have come up between couples where they are unable to be married after all... You can't asume that you will marry such-and-such guy until you really ARE! What if you give your first kiss away and then you are unable, for what-ever reason, to marry him?! Very sad idea, but possible; and it is a risk I will NOT take.
I agree with much that you said, including the dating part. I've never dated, never held anyone's hand, and I've never been kissed...(if anyone around my age tried to kiss me I think I'd slap 'im upside the face!"The nerve!" Lol)
Thank you for writing about this. I enjoy reading what you have written. Oh, our family just finished reading your father's book "What He Must Be...If He Wants To Marry My Daughter". We liked it very much! :D
I've talked long enough. Blessings!
~J
I'm saving my first kiss until my wedding day (Lord willing). I'd read about girls (strangely, never any guys) who'd made that decision and thought that was a bit extreme. I planned to wait until I'd been with a guy - not necessarily my future husband - for a few months, but after reading about girls who decided to save their first kisses, I realised just how beautiful it was to do what they did!
Okay, this isn't exactly related to your post, but I thought I'd share it anyway :)
God bless.
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