
I was working on a chapter in my book the other day, digging through old posts and comments for inspiration, when I ran across this article. I thought I'd share it again for a taste of what you can expect when Joyfully at Home comes out this fall --
After I graduated high school in 2007, I was faced countless times with a very common question: “Where are you going to school?” College is such a cultural “coming of age” and a “rite of passage” that few ever considered the possibility that I would not be stepping onto a college campus sometime soon. They did not ask, “Are you going to school?” or “What are your plans now that you’ve graduated?” No, assumptions made, the question was “where.” It was to the disgust and confounding of many that I answered “nowhere.”
Why Aren’t You in School, Young Lady?
Many things came into play with my decision not to take the traditional route to post-secondary education; the question above was one I pondered for quite some time: 1) what did I think about college, and, as a young woman, with my aspirations, 2) would I be attending. It was an ongoing discussion between my parents and me, and I had a massive paradigm shift from, as a little girl, yearning to be an Ivy League graduate, starry-eyed over a certificate I got from Duke University after my standardized test scores, to, as a sophomore in high school, daydreaming about becoming a UCLA or NYU graduate who made Shyamalan-esque films, to, as a junior, researching schools with a much more Christ-exalting curricula, to as a senior, deciding to do away with the typical college experience altogether.
First off, since college is a form of furthering one’s education, I had to consider what the purpose of my education was: as a Christian, I believe that purpose falls in line with my ultimate purpose: to glorify God and enjoy him forever. I wanted all levels of my education to be effective in equipping me for that calling. There were several things that made me shy away my my UCLA and NYU ideals; one was a five point sermon my dad’s been preaching to Trey and me since we entered high school:
- Most BA degrees aren’t worth the paper they are written on.
- Four years is too much time to waste.
- $80,000 (room&board/state school) to $250,000 (room&board/Ivy League) is too much money to spend.
- College is not for everyone.
- Most universities are philosophically antagonistic to Christianity.
Click here to read that entire article.
American colleges today aren’t what they once were, and with the amount of time and money poured into young peoples’ education today, I think the results being offered are, most often, subpar. Young men and young women would benefit from taking a long, hard look at the way post-high-school education is conducted in America, making decisions, not based on the status quo, but on how to be a good steward with the time and the gifts that the Lord has given them.
But Don’t You Need a College Education, Just in Case?
Just in case I don’t get married -just in case a parent dies -just in case my husband dies -just in case he becomes disabled -just in case I have to work…
Just in case scenarios have their validity -if they did not, I would not be a firm believer in life insurance, car insurance, and home insurance -however, we must be careful never to base our decisions on fear, but on the precepts of the Word of God, and the leading of our consciences in accordance with His Word.
If it is your desire to flourish in the home environment, I want to encourage you: it is not impossible to make “just in case” plans that don’t include a college degree… it just takes a little creativity, a lot of foresight, and much prayer.
So What Would you Do Instead?
The first two years after I graduated were spent under the tutelage of my parents, helping my mother with the household duties while working full-time for my father as his research assistant. If people asked me what I did for a living, I’d probably quip that I was the all-purpose household and office assistant/brother-wrangler/sous-chef. I was still learning (at that time, I was researching for my dad’s latest book, which gave me an opportunity to read a variety of resources from a host of different perspectives regarding biblical manhood and womanhood) from both of my parents, particularly from Mama, because I had ample time to tag along and take notes.
Towards the end of that two-year period, we found an alternative to the traditional college route that allows me to still be just as involved with my family life, and I am now enrolled in an online degree program called CollegePlus! I’m an English major, and am able to pursue my passion for literature and writing at home while shaping and pursuing the other passions in my life. As Daddy pointed out in his article, there is no one-size-fits-all approach to education (which, as homeschoolers, is something that we definitely know). Doing college this away affords me the opportunity to continue to live at home under the protection and discipleship of both of my parents, as well as to be involved in my family life in a unique way that I believe many college-age gals are missing out on.
I think a lot of times, though, women who make decisions like I have get painted into a corner. I know many people have assumed that my daddy won’t “allow” me to go to college, when the fact of the matter is that my educational path was a decision that my parents and I made together. I’m a sophomore in college now, credits-wise, and my parents and I have talked about the possibility of me getting a nouthetic counseling license once I graduate, or taking advantage of a fully-accredited online doctorate program from a Reformed college. I am working on writing my first book, based on my blog, and will have to complete the manuscript a bit before the deadline, as I’ll be traveling for a month with my family in Africa this August while my dad ministers there.
Not every daughter who chooses to live at home is going to have a life that looks just like mine, but what I’m trying to demonstrate is that when I talk about “stay-at-home daughterhood,” I’m not talking about sitting at home and watching the paint dry until Prince Charming comes along. There are limitless opportunities for ministry and productivity at home, if we will only take advantage of them or make them for ourselves.
So Do You Think Young Women Should be Educated?
I must say that I do not equate the question of whether or not a young person decides to go to college with whether or not young people should be educated; when asked the second question, my answer is an emphatic yes; I simply don’t believe the only or the best way for a young person to be educated is on a college campus. Depending on their chosen career paths, young men as well as young women would often do well to cut out the time-consuming, money-guzzling venture that the traditional college education is.
As to the specific question of whether or not I believe young women should be educated -and, further to the point, as well-educated as their male counterparts -yes, I do believe they should. We are in the midst of a culture war -as Christians, it is our duty to be good stewards of our minds, applying them to learning the truths that can advance the Kingdom of Christ. This can be done in a structured school setting, but it is not at all limited to that sphere -in this day and age, the only limitations to your education are your imagination and your drive to learn.
Do You Think Everyone Should Live at Home Like You?
All I want to do is to encourage young ladies to rethink their presuppositions not only regarding education, but in regards to the aspirations that your education leads you to.
However, I can share with you, as a young woman, some of the reasons I decided against going off to school. It was more important for me to remain under the protection of my father and the discipleship of my mother than it was for me to travel cross-country to sit under the discipleship of others. I believe my primary calling is towards my home, and there is no other place I’d rather be, here in my family’s home for now, and, Lord bless, someday running a home of my own and educating my own children. I had no desire for a career that would take me away from that sphere. I believe that a Christian home is the best training ground that young women can be afforded, and that the safest place a young woman can be is under her parents’ authority.
For too long in our culture, parents have been training their daughters in the exact same way that they train their sons, launching their female arrows to go through life the same way their male arrows do. Fathers have been abdicating their duty to protect their daughters, mothers their duty towards discipleship and guidance. Young women have not only lost their femininity, but they’ve lost their desire for the biblical role that the Lord has called them to. We no longer want to be wives and mothers, and we no longer realize the power of that calling. As a result, many of us no longer realize what a unique time in our lives this can be, not only to take advantage of our ministry to our home and families, but the minister to others through that sphere.
There are so many other questions that come up in the college discussion, but, lest I write my book in the course of this post, I’ll close with this: there’s honestly nothing I can say that I’d rather be doing than living the life I’m leading; I am always free at any time to discuss alternatives with my parents, because their goal is the same as mine: to be a good steward of the gifts, passions, and callings that the Lord has placed on my life, and to become a true woman of God. My home -my family -was custom-made by the King of Kings for me; I’m blessed to have this unique opportunity to learn from them and bless them and to be blessed by them.
I’m a stay-at-home daughter because I believe this is the best place for me to be, and because I enjoy learning and thriving in a real-world environment that affords me opportunities to minister and to be ministered to in ways that I never could be living out on my own. That’s a decision that I’ve made with the full blessing of both of my parents, and it’s a decision that has blessed the rest of us in turn. I do pray that other young women are able to have these fruitful conversations with their parents as well, and to make wise, Christ-exalting plan for their futures!
57 thoughts shared:
I totally agree with those five points...
I'm really excited to read your book too!
Blessings,
Alanna
Thank you for being such an encouragement Jasmine! I very much enjoyed hearing a Biblical perspective on young women and college. I look forward to reading your book!
~Patti~
I loved this post. I am really struggling with these decisions as I graduate high school and you provide great insight. I want to be a midwife but I am not sure if I should go with the CNM which will require a doctoral degree by the time I get to school (7 years+ w/basically 100% job security) or the more traditional CPM (less job security but 3-4 years and can use distance learning).
Jasmine,
As a homeschool graduate who has decided not to go to college, I find this post very encouraging!
I've constantly had to clarify with people that "college" and "higher education" aren't synonyms! I've taken a class with my dad through a bible college (and intend to take more), not for credit, but simply to learn! I love to learn, so choosing to not pursue the normal college education is definately not equivalent to me wandering around wasting my mind.
My aspiration is to be a writer, my hope is to be a wife and mother, and my ultimate goal is to honor my Lord in all I do. Thanks for the insightful post!
God bless!
Rachel
I completely agree with this post! I've just spent the last 5 years studying for my BA/MA. Now, at 23 I'm being courted and facing marriage.
Boy, do those 5 years feel like a waste now! The debt will carry through to my marriage and the time that should have been spent learning how to cook/iron without burning things/keep a house will never be gotten back.
I wish I had read articles like yours 6 years ago! Thanks for the inspiration!
Charlotte
Jasmine,
as an {almost} high school graduate, I struggle with this topic. I love that this is working out for you in a blessed way. And I agree with you. But I also want to go to college. I'm very confused...but with much prayer I know my path will be clear!
Thanks for this post, Jasmine! I am an "older" young women at home and actually made the decision after highschool to attend a local secular college while still living at home. But that was sometime ago and now I am thoroughly "at home" again and fighting against the criticisms and assumptions you mentioned for both my own sake and the young ladies around me. Even though I went to school and have a BA I do not see that schoolwork or that piece of paper at all synonymous for true education. Nor do I find myself in a significantly more secure position compared to others in terms of the "what if . . . ?" fears. I enjoyed my college experience and am grateful that God walked with me through that road. But I would be the first to encourage all young ladies to pursue serving the Lord and your family, and developing your talents in the way that best fits your needs, desires, and above all godly life principles. At this crucial point in life, do not sell out to the world's arguments as to how to get on in life. Under the direction of your parents and the leading of God, you will find true satisfaction and the blessings of fruitful ministry. College (online or on campus) is one way to develop your intellect and skills but it is not the only way and should never be considered to be the necessarily best way. It is far more important to be an accomplished (in whatever way God has designed you to be) and servant-hearted young woman than to be a college-educated young women. May God bless you Jasmine as you pursue His ends for your life!
Emily
So I am a little out of the loop here. I wasn't sure whether 'going to college' actually meant going to another city or state (county for us british folk) or it meant pursuing higher education.
I study in another city because it has a very good law and american studies faculty but yes I could have saved a lot more money staying at home. From the perspective of whether I could have learnt more household duties by being at home...no I could not have. Domestic skills were essential for all the girls in my household.
However I am for young women getting an education . The reason for this is that a lot of my friends do not want to pursue education because they wish to get married. They wish to be a stay at home mother and homeschool there children. Well it would be nice to have an education if you want to homeschool your children. I have been in the same position as these girls and I almost ruined my life if it were not for my parents and the voice of God.
If a woman believes that college will make her less marriage worthy then I do not agree. Lately I have been speaking to young christian men who admire women who are educated, who know how to manage finances and yes who are independent. They are Independent by relying utterly on God and not on man. The guys who were speaking to me (medical students), enjoy being around other female christian medical students due to their heart for God and medicine.
Yes a woman does not need to go outside her home and live on campus but a woman should try and be educated.
Like I said I almost destroyed my own life if it wasn't for the Lord telling me to pursue Law.
Sorry this is such an essay.
I love this. Thank you.
I reap the repercussions of the worldly attitudes that my parents passed on to me. I have chosen to stay at home and raise my daughters... and we're strapped with thousands of dollars of debt from my education - a Masters degree in Architecture. I will never regret being educated. But I do regret how it came about... the financial burden, the worldly bombardment, the poor choices I made when faced with that. My still childish faith was no match for the deluge. Will I ever go back and use that degree? I have no plans to. Thanks to God, and to the work your father has been doing, I'm home and have started the homeschooling journey with my eldest daughter who started "kindergarten" this year. My career is here, at home. It's time to stop the patterns of our families, and start new patterns of God.
Our hope and prayer is that we can be the type of parents that yours are. That we can provide our daughters with the kind of opportunities that yours have given to you by following the leading of God, not man. You are a very blessed young lady. Thank you, and your parents, for sharing your lives. For those of us who have never experienced in real life a Godly example of a family, it is a priceless blessing.
It's so wonderful to read the words of a fellow Christ-minded girl. I really appreciate your intelligent insight!
- Sarah -
Perfectly said, Beverly.
In spiritual battle and training, female arrows are the same as male ones. Women can be doctors, scientists, writers, missionaries and still as darn good eventual parents and spouses as men in those professions are. Four years a WASTE of time? A WASTE? My years of learning were not a waste, ARE not a waste. How can anyone speak so? I am VERY tired of people outside my sphere of choice criticizing me and other women, telling us where our place is, that God's plans for our individual lives are a waste of time because they don't jive with others' convictions; I am just as tired of this as you! How dare they? A waste of time, that is a low and unworthy gut punch to women like me. Sounds too much like the extremism of the worst people on that side of the argument, those who tell us as women we're not being worthy of what THEY feel is our calling. When I see such comments, I generally ex-out of the site and write that person down as a legalist I don't wish to hear of or from again. I don't like assaults on my womanhood.
This is not allways possible for all. But I totally agree that college education is totally pushed way to much .
I think that college can be a good option for women. My family lives overseas, so I will be going to college in a few years in the states. I want to be a public school teacher, to reach out to kids in the secular public school system. There is no way that I can do this kind of ministry without a college education. I will also be very happy if I marry and have kids after I go to college. During highschool, I am able to learn to take care of a house, and during college I will be able to learn the skills that I would need to do things that I would need to homeschool my children.
I will still be going to college near aunts, uncles and grandparents, so I do not feel that I will be unprotected.
Thanks for hearing my 2 cents :)
If I misunderstood your father by thinking he was saying four years of college is a waste of time, please let me know and I'll delete my comment.
Wow Jasmine, most of your conclusions are exactly the conclusions I came to when considering the whole "higher education" thing, going off to college and spending all that money for a piece of paper wasn't something I was interested in! (Not saying that girls shouldn't ever go to college, or that degrees aren't ever useful! It just wasn't for me personally!)
Guess what? I found out about College Plus and am starting this year, I also plan on going for an English Major, Lord willing... I know its not for every one, but, it met my needs perfectly, praise God! I'm so grateful for the opportunity to further my education in a way that I feel will be much more beneficial and "right" for my walk with the Lord right now...
~Lauren
Jasmine,
Thank you for your willingness to share your convictions with other young ladies and for encouraging them to examine every aspect of their lives in the light of God's word. You already know how much I agree with your post, but I wanted to let you know that I appreciate you, and your family. As a mom I want to thank you for being an encouragement to my daughters.
Hello, everyone! Thank you for your comments -I'm a bit pressed for time today, but I wanted to answer just a few points:
Beverly,
You said, "If a woman believes that college will make her less marriage worthy then I do not agree." I'm getting a college degree -my mother has one -aside from that, I can find nowhere in my post where I actually said those words. From your comment, I can see that we have two different attitudes towards this issue -while you seem to be of the mind that college is automatically synonymous with further education, and, therefore, a must for young women, my object in this article is not to convince them to forgo a college education, simply to reevaluate the assumption that it's necessary. For some of us, it will be something we choose -for others, it won't. I think that's completely okay. =)
Mrs. Jess,
Thank you so much for your encouraging words. And can I just say WOW to your Master degree in Architecture?! The things you must have learned! Every time I hear about an architect, I think about two things: Frank Lloyd Wright, and Ayn Rand's "The Fountainhead."
Hey, Laurel,
If college is an option that works for you, that's great. =) I would, however, do some research on the "having a degree will help me homeschool" line of thinking. HSLDA has some amazing studies on whether or not a parent's level of education effects a child's standardized test scores, for instance. I would also read, "The Harsh Truth about Public Schools."
Hi, Jennifer,
You know I always like hearing from you. =) You said:
"If I misunderstood your father by thinking he was saying four years of college is a waste of time, please let me know and I'll delete my comment."
I don't want you to delete your comment, but I did want to point out that neither my father nor I said that a college degree is a waste for everyone, and, although some of the comments reflect that certain young women thought that their time in college was a waste, I haven't seen anyone completely discount the validity of going to college for every single person.
I did see where my dad said that four years was too much time to spend at college, and to try to get out and get moving as soon as you can -I definitely agree with that point: it saves time and money!
You also said:
"In spiritual battle and training, female arrows are the same as male ones."
I beg to differ. Women and men *are* different -created differently. Mary Kassian has a wonderful section about the difference in her book, "Girls Gone Wise in a World Gone Wild," which I really thoroughly enjoyed. Kassian is a highly (college =) educated woman who hardly believes that women can't be doctors, lawyers, scientists, writers, or missionaries (nor, in the proper context, do I -they certainly have the same aptitude for it as their male counterparts), but that the Lord created them with complimentary differences.
I don't necessarily expect us to agree on that second point, but, in the first, I hope you will see that neither my father nor I discounted the entire college experience as a waste of time (although we both made the point that college isn't for everyone -and I don't believe it is). Nor did I say that everyone should do exactly what I'm doing with my life -quite the opposite. Nor do I believe that egalitarians can't be strong believers or God-fearers just because they disagree with me... just throwing that one in there for future reference. =)
Mrs. Keeth,
Thank you for the encouragement. =)
Oh, and Laurel, http://www.voddiebaucham.org/vbm/Blog/Entries/2010/1/11_January_Question_of_the_Month.html.
And, to you and Beverly: you may want to consider that chalking a daughter's desire to stay at home instead of going off to school up to just "learning homemaking skills" is just as insulting to me as discounting the entire college experience for girls in general may be to you. =) I would hope that, from what I've shared in this post specifically, and in different spots on my blog in general, that you realize that keeping house isn't all I -or other daughters in my situation -am accomplishing under my father's roof (although it's something we're constantly putting into practice, to be sure).
I just had to reread my comment, and then reread it again.
If I insulted you I apologise. In no shape or form did I have the intention to write my comment to offend or attack anyone. Anyway things are so easily misunderstood over internet communication.
However, I did clearly state that "I am out of the loop".Up until now I am still lost but I assumed you meant that you chose not to go AWAY to college. Like I said if I could have stayed at home and taken classes I would have but that option was not available.
I see this blog as a discussion, and I do not just read what you wrote but I also read the other comments. When I was referring to domestic skills, I was actually referring to a comment that was made about ironing and cooking. I apologise if I wasn't clear enough.
Everybody is entitled to put in their two cents (pence) worth. I did not say that you wrote "college made you less marriage worthy" but I was expressing my opinion about a popular belief that is rampant amongst christian women If I said you wrote that then I would have quoted you. Again I apologise for being unclear.
I have always seen your blog as a place to read and discuss the article but I have noticed things often get misunderstood and people become offended. Hence why I refrain from commenting even when I agree entirely with what you have said.
In summary from what I understood from all this:
Jasmine: I chose to stay at home under my parent's guidance and protection to pursue a degree in English Lit with College Plus.
Beverley: Yes, if a girl chooses to pursue education at home, that is o.k. But from what I hear almost everyday, is that eduction isn't necessary because young women desire to be stay at home mothers.
Jasmine you did not say that and sorry if I wasn't clear.
Jasmine, you are such an encouragement to young girls. We heard your father speak this weekend and it was amazing. We struggle with this very topic, as we have an 18 year old daughter. Thank you for sharing your heart on this. I will be sending her to do some reading here.
Thanks so much for this post! I am graduating high school on Saturday, and started my College Plus! degree on Thursday. Like you, I went through a paradigm shift in junior high and high school. It has changed my life! While I may not be doing the 'normal' thing, I feel like God is being honored through my family's decisions (not that He can't be honored other ways), and I have a clear purpose in the home and culture. Thanks, Jasmine, for the encouragement!
Oh, and by the way, after completing my History/English major, Mother and I are thinking about getting our masters in Nouthetic Counseling together. Who knew?
Soli Deo Gloria,
Jenn
Laurel,
I think don't think that link quite worked out the way I wanted it to... click here to read the article I was referring to.
Hi, Beverly,
You're right: thing are easily misunderstood over internet communication. That's usually why my blog posts and responses are so long --I'm trying to be very clear.
I am sorry that I misunderstood you. I do consider going OFF to college to be different from staying at home to receive a college education (different in terms of location, time spent, and cost), and am sorry if I did not make that clear in this article. I am also sorry if I did not make it clear that I consider education a high priority for *all* young women, whether they want to be lawyers, doctors, or stay-at-home mothers... but that college does not automatically equal education, nor should it be something we feel that we *must* do if the Lord is not leading us in that direction.
I also usually assume that if a commenter makes a statement -unless they directly address another commenter, or specify that they are commenting on an idea that wasn't necessarily included in my post -that they are addressing their comment to something I myself have communicated.
I like hearing your opinion, Beverly -you definitely bring something different to the table as a law-student, as a British woman, and as a black woman. I really hope that my confusion does not cause you to stop commenting. I will try to read your replies more carefully in the future, so that I always understand exactly where you're coming from. In turn, maybe you can be a bit more clear as to who exactly you are addressing when you speak about certain ideas (mainstream Christianity, another commenter, or cultish stay-at-home daughters like me [that last one was a joke ;-)])
J
It is a shame that someone like you cannot be more involved in the college environment. Staying within our own Christian bubble, trying to only protect ourselves, I think, is a selfish thing. Christian are needed so much on campuses around the U.S.(and the world?) that they may be used of God to bring light into such dark classroom lectures/discussions, and in the schools in general. I have met but a few Christians in my time here, and I pray the Lord may lead more into the battlefield (universities.)I am an English major and in most classes, Christian matters very often come up and it makes such a difference to introduce the true Christian worldview(Light; not what the professors incorrectly present.)
I can say a lot more, but I'd like to read what you have to say back to just this.
-a reader
Dear Reader,
Just so I'm clear... what exactly is "someone like me?"
I would love to go to Bible college. The best way that I can honor my father, is doing what he prays and desires for each one of his children -- going into all the world and making disciples. Both my parents belive that college is good preparation for the ministry. I think it will be a wonderful way to put into practice everything they taught me, stay under their protection, honor them even though they won't be there.
Just another thought. =)
~Abby
Abby,
The best way to honor your father is by honoring God's Word in your decisions -this includes honoring the Great Commission by spreading the gospel, as well as obeying "all things which the Lord has commanded us" in his Word. In that Spirit, you are wise in trying to select an educational option that does not put you "in the counsel of the ungodly (Psalm 1:1-6).
However, choosing a Bible college does not in any way ensure that you will not be submitting yourself to ungodly authority. Click here to read a Townhall article that examines one Bible college in particular.
There are godly Christian schools out there, to be sure, but if your desire truly is to serve the Lord, why wait four years or spend thousands of dollars learning theology that you only need to crack open a book to learn for yourself? Are you having unbelievers in your home? Is there a crisis pregnancy center in your area? Do you share the gospel every chance you get, and minister to believers whenever you can? Do you have younger girls from church over to minister to them? Do you go to church members' homes to help them move or aid new mothers? Do you do the same for unbelievers you know?
I in no way want to encourage you to dishonor your father. But if he's anything like mine, he pays close attention to the desires of my heart, and walks alongside me as we try to make decisions that honor the Lord. Putting them in the college box is a little limiting given the opportunities you could be taking advantage of.
Just another thought. =) I can only walk in my shoes, and I respect your right to walk a different path in yours. ;-)
J
Thank you for confirming, Jasmine. I'm sorry for the misunderstanding; I've never thought of you personally as legalistic, but I've seen so many parents in the homeschooling movement tell girls that college or even missionary work is a waste of their time because they should be at home training to be home-women. That's what I took your dad's words to mean, and my raw skin took that as another personal flaying. I greatly appreciate your kind patience in explaining :)
Thank you, Jasmine. I am very well aware that I can't go to even a conservative Bible college and eat every word I hear. And yes we should all be studying the Bible on our own, every single day!
I agree with you. There are so many ministry opportunities right here at home. And by God's grace, He is working through me. I hope that when I leave -- whether I attend college, get married, go to the mission field -- that my sisters and other young ladies at church will take over my ministries. I'm excited to see what God will do!
I hope that every young lady will make the most of the time they have at home -- however long that may be. This is why I read your blog, because I am a junior in highschool, and the season I am in is to serve my family, church and community from home. I don't agree completely with you on some points, but thank you for your example, and I really admire you.
You're right, my dad is working with me and praying with me. I'm looking forward to what God will do in my life and where He will lead me, and I know He will provide the resources. College box or not. =)
~Abby
Jennifer,
I'm glad we were able to clear that up! If there's ever anything that I can clarify for you, please don't hesitate to let me know -and even if we do have an area of sound disagreement, I hope that will not stop you from sharing your opinion so that we can better understand one another. =)
Abby,
Thank you so much for your kind words. I really appreciate your comment, and hearing from a heart that is so obviously intent on serving the Lord. I pray that he leads you down the paths that will most glorify him, and that you will be full of the joy and confidence that comes from delighting in God's will. =)
Love,
Jasmine
Thank you for re-posting this. I think you've done a wonderful job crafting an answer that draws attention to the main principles of the college decision. I am also enrolled in CollegePlus! and it has been a wonderful fit for me.
On another note: where are you going in Africa? It's too bad you are leaving in August, we leave tomorrow for Rwanda and maybe I could have met you. Then again, Africa's a pretty big continent... ;)
I am so thankful that the Lord led us to consider different college routes. Now I can stay at home and enjoy the two blessings that we are bringing home from Rwanda!
God bless! I think your upcoming book is going to be wonderful!
Thank you, Jasmine!
~Abby
Hi, Elizabeth!
We'll be in Zambia and Mozambique, principally, but I think we'll also get to see other countries like South Africa -I'm getting more and more excited as the trip gets closer, even though I'm not a big fan of international travel. =)
However, I have a feeling your trip will be even more exciting -expanding your family -wow! I hope the Lord gives traveling mercies!!
Wow! Zambia and Mozambique! That does sound exciting! I hope your family has a wonderful trip full of ministry and encouragement.
Thank you for the kind words :) I'm not sure ours will be as exciting (think: lots of waiting in government offices ;) But picking up two new sisters is blessing upon blessing. God is so good.
by "someone like you" I meant a believer who actually strives for Christ-likeness, which I guess in the truest sense of the word is simply a Christian.
-vanesa (a reader)
Hi Vanesa,
Thank you for signing a name -that's so much easier than sifting through anonymous comments. =)
So, if I'm understanding you correctly (and let me know if I am not), you are saying that, because I am a Christian who strives for godliness, I should go to college in order to be a light in the darkness (as per Matthew 5:13-16), rather than living at home in my "Christian bubble."
A couple of observations:
-You are advocating that I spend $80,000 to walk in the counsel of the ungodly (Psalm 1:1-6), *just so* I can be a "good witness" to them. There are a couple of problems with this assertion: 1) in a quest to obey one command (the Great Commission), this would be disobeying another (the command to be a good steward of my resources -Matthew 25:15-30), and, 2) people go to college to learn, principally, not to teach; and when we learn, we are putting ourselves under the authority of our teachers (Luke 6:40).
-If Christian students were truly "needed" on college campuses, and having a real impact on their surroundings, our nation would be in a state of revival instead of a state of POST-post-modernism.
-If Christian students were truly impacting the colleges that they were attending, they would not be leaving the faith in such staggering numbers (click here for statistics)
-Finally, your seeming assumption that any Christian girl who does not go to college is choosing, instead, to live in a bubble (you said it's shame that "someone like me" isn't on a college campus and then defined "someone like me" as a Christian; therefore, I'm assuming that you think it's a shame when any Christian young person it's on a college campus, "making a difference") betrays another assumption: you believe that a college campus is the best -if not the only -way that we can be actively involved in shining our light before men.
This simply is not so, and this is the crux of our discussion. The starting point of shining our light before men is obeying the precepts of Jesus Christ (Matthew 28:16-20). Nowhere in God's Word are we *commanded* to journey into a secular environment as students in order to shine our light; on the contrary, we are warned against the wiles of such an environment.
Instead, God's Word has given us ample wise counsel when it comes to ministering -and my walk in faith has given me ample opportunity to take advantage of this counsel.
There are times when we will have to submit ourselves to the authority of the ungodly for a time. But I do not see thinking of college as a ministry opportunity as enough of a reason to do so. If you do, Godspeed -I pray that he gives you favor as you strive to walk uprightly. However, I would ask, in turn, that you not patronize those who see things a little differently than you do, and choose to serve the Lord -and to witness to others -in different ways.
In Christ,
Jasmine
I am def. NOT advocating spending 80,000 in school; plenty of scholarships and grant opportunities out there.
I am definitely NOT putting myself under the authority of my professors; I am only under the authority of Christ. I think this is where the Lord uses my interaction with professors and with my classmates, in that I do not submit to every/any word/teaching that comes out of any of my professor’s mouth, or any thinker for that matter. When reading a book, is not the author also a teacher? Are not there varying worldviews attached to different authors? Virginia Woolf? Alice Walker? How do you learn from secular writers/thinkers? Do you submit yourself to their authority when you read their works?
I think the current state of the universities is proof enough that Christians are needed there. I am here as a student and I know of a few who go to universities and do street evangelism and preaching. It is only a few of us and I pray this may change.
The fact that these students are leaving the faith upon entering the university IS the reason why they are not impacting it too. Faith that is weak enough to be abandoned was no faith to begin with. How can someone with a weak or nonexistent faith impact anyone?
I am not saying that a college campus is the only place for Christians to be in, but I wanted to bring up the fact that it is a place in great need of them. Most people in the universities are seeking, but very few actually know Truth. More Christians in the universities would indeed have a great impact and make such difference!
-vanesa
Vanesa,
A brief word about authority: God's Word has given us clear standards of authority -a mother and father are authorities over their children (Ephesians 6:1-4); teachers are authorities over their students (Luke 6:40). When you submit yourself to an educational system, you are submitting yourself to an authority (and even if you aren't paying out of pocket, *someone* is paying for your education). A book is a teaching *tool* but it is not a teacher. =) Virginia Wolf in the hands of a Christian teacher can be an excellent tool to delve into the mind of a brilliant woman who reaped the penalty for not knowing Christ -Virginia Wolf in the hands of a secular teacher can be a tool to delve into the mind of a modern-day heroine of feminist ideology.
I know a group of young men who go downtown to do evangelism and street preaching every single weekend -not a college campus or a teacher in sight, and no life's savings or student loans or grants needed. They minster to some of the same people you may see in your classes, but they do so without the burden of seeking a four-year degree just so they can evangelize as they go.
To go to college to receive an education is one thing -to go solely to evangelize is another entirely; in many instances, I can understand the first desire; however, as for the second, I cannot see the validity of encouraging young people to spend their time, money, and brain cells immersed in a secular environment so that they can make an impact --it's an impact we have yet to see in great numbers, in all the years that Christian students have been trying to evangelize their peers.
I would find your argument much more compelling if you were to present me with Scripture references to support your points. I provided several, along with links to various articles throughout my dialogue in this comment thread. You are telling me a lot of what you "think." While your thoughts are valuable here, I am much more concerned about the thoughts of the Lord, and the fruit of your mindset -you have not presented evidence of either to support your case, and I am left with the impression that your participation in this discussion sprouted from a reactionary need to defend your choices, rather than a true desire to share a differing opinion that is grounded in the the principles of God's Word.
I could be wrong, and, if I am -or if you find my tone at all offensive -I apologize. But I urge you to prayerfully consider all that I have said, just as I have carefully weighed the argument you're making several times before, and, again, during the course of our conversation.
J
vanesa makes a good point.
Firstly I apologize for my bad English. I hope you'll understand what I'm saying in spite of the faults in my language.
I think you are lying to yourself and others.
Homeschooling is not in any way lesser option to out-of-homeschooling, which all home-schoolers should know and acknowledge. So when asked "where are you going to go to college" the correct answer for you would be "at home".
Also, you are in a very privileged position with a father who is able of giving you the opportunity to work as his assistant, to learn from him the yays and nays of scholarhood, writing, research and whatnot. You are actually studying academically as an apprentice to a master.
You have a very selfish attitude towards your less privileged sisters. The majority of young women do not have the privilege of being able to learn what they want from their parents. You do. You are able to get the EXACT education you need to be exactly what you want to be when you grow old at home. What about the millions of others who can not? Are they to be scared of College, Universities, living on their own - their only possibility to get where you are heading - so that they won't even try and get the education themselves so that they could give it to their own daughters - and sons - when time comes?
Is your father offering the same opportunity he's giving to you to a couple of your friends? Is your family doing anything to "save" other Christian girls from the dangers and vices of College, while providing the knowledge and opportunities, the virtues and promises of a College?
I don't read any mention of this.
"If people asked me what I did for a living, I’d probably quip that I was the all-purpose household and office assistant/brother-wrangler/sous-chef."
Not "stay-at-home daughter"... :-> Which means that you don't think it's worth anything, really. You might have all the nice, pretty words about being a SATD, but when asked, you show with all necessary clarity that you yourself think it's better to be an "assistant" than "daughter".
I find it offensive that women like you, who are enjoying all the fruits of Feminism, attack it, try to counter its influence and bash and mock it and its representants. YOU ARE PRIVILEGED, GIRL! Most the women in your environment are not. Now you are also going to Africa, where the women aren't even half as privileged as women in USA... but I suppose you will be oblivious to the downside of "traditional Christian womanhood"... the fact that women become circumcisers because that is the only profession allowed to them. That poor widow loses the family farm, because women may not own things, and if she doesn't, she may not sell the farm products, because women may not sell anything. Sure, exaggerated examples, but not at all impossible. That the situation is not the same in USA today, is all thanks to suffragettes and feminists, and you should have the decency to give credit, appreciation and thanks to where it belongs. That you don't... well... speaks volumes, and nothing nice.
I have been working on a series of portraits about important Finnish people. One of them was Minna Canth. She lived in the 19th century. The man she married was a drunk and drank all their property. What she brought into the marriage became his property, because women weren't allowed to own anything. She started writing to be able to support the family, and the publishing company negotiated with her husband, paid her salary to him, and he - of course - drank most of it. That could be your future, if you get what you are asking... so you might need to learn more about what created Feminism, and have a bit more compassion, understanding and generosity towards your fellow womanhood.
Motherhood is precious and wonderful thing, but not the only thing women are good for. World is full of women who are not blessed with children, and they should be able to be good, appreciated and valuable people too.
Hi Ketutar,
The reason, at seventeen, that I told people I wasn't going to college anywhere was because I wasn't... CollegePlus! wasn'te even a blip on the screen.
A "stay at home daughter" *is* "the all-purpose household and office assistant/brother-wrangler/sous-chef." She *is* a girl who has opportunities to "learn from him the yays and nays of scholarhood, writing, research and whatnot." She *is* a girl with opportunities to "learn as an apprentice to a master" -whether that master happens to be her own father, or her ambitions take her to the local library to pick up tools written by the masters of the past. She is a girl who is able to get "the EXACT education she needs to be exactly what she wants to be" However, she is a girl who is often misunderstood, and, therefore, someone who needs to constantly define what exactly a "stay-at-home" daughter is.
Your words: "You have a very selfish attitude towards your less privileged sisters. The majority of young women do not have the privilege of being able to learn what they want from their parents."
My words: "I’m a stay-at-home daughter... That’s a decision that I’ve made with the full blessing of both of my parents, and it’s a decision that has blessed the rest of us in turn. I do pray that other young women are able to have these fruitful conversations with their parents as well, and to make wise, Christ-exalting plan for their futures!"
I have put the ball back in their court -it's not my job to make the college decision for my sisters in Christ (I've also written aboutthe issue of sisters in different situations than mine in other places, as well as, yes, ministering to young women like the ones in "What's a Girl to Do?" as a family and as individual family members (a lot of those young women are our own extended family members).
"Are they to be scared of College, Universities, living on their own - their only possibility to get where you are heading - so that they won't even try and get the education themselves so that they could give it to their own daughters - and sons - when time comes?"
They are to take a long, hard look at the college experience, and decide for themselves whether or not it is the wise environment for them to pursue getting "the education themselves so that they can give it to their own daughters -and sons- when the time comes." University is not the only option.
Ketutar, you call me oblivious -I think you are oblivious to the real nature of what I'm saying in this post: you're attacking *me* for sharing an aspect of my lifestyle and encouraging others to rethink their presuppositions --all the while bashing me for not showing more "compassion, understanding, and generosity towards my fellow wom[en]." I have condemned no one -your post is full of condemnation.
"Motherhood is precious and wonderful thing, but not the only thing women are good for. World is full of women who are not blessed with children, and they should be able to be good, appreciated and valuable people too."
I never said otherwise.
If a sister in Christ were ever in need of real counsel on this situation, I would not hesitate to offer what I could; as it is, you are neither my sister in Christ, nor one seeking counsel, but one seeking and opportunity to vent about perceived meanings -I appreciate your taking the time to share a differing opinion, but I can also appreciate the fact that your opinion will not be altered by anything I could say (because your opinion of me has been formed by very little that I've actually said in the first place).
You're having an argument with an ignorant, presumptuous, oblivious little rich Daddy's girl in your head --I'm going to let you carry on without me.
J
Ps. Yes, we will be in Africa... ministering alongside a preacher who has been called, "The Spurgeon of Africa" in Zambia, Mr. Conrad Mbewe who is bringing revival to his country. Before you draw a caricature of African as women-circumcising savages, you may want to have a look at all of the work ministers like Mr. Conrad are doing (and a firmer understanding of Africa as an entire continent full of diverse people with diverse beliefs). Western beliefs have touched that land in both healing -and incredibly *crippling* -ways.
And what created feminism was sin -on the part of both men and women; men for abdicating their God-given roles as protectors -women for usurping man's position as such, and it started much before the 19th century, and has not been righted without the healing power of the gospel since then.
And pps... I *am* very blessed -I thank the Lord for those blessings, and pray that, even if my sisters in Christ are struggling now, that they can have hope for their own daughters and future families, as many of the women in this comment thread have testified.
Dear Jasmine,
As a home-schooler myself, I have greatly enjoyed your various posts on the little understanding people have for the different lifestyle you and your parents have chosen. I am almost done with highschool and have not the slightest desire for spending four years on a college campus. Plus, I truly love my involvement in my church (I teach Sunday School and a class on Saturday in our kid's club). At one point I was hoping to earn a college degree through CollegePlus! (which I learned about here ;). However, I live in Argentina, and much to my disappointment, discovered there is no longer a single place in the country that gives CLEP or DANTES tests.
So I was wondering if you or another reader out there might know of an alternative long-distance learning college program that I could consider. From the research I've done, I believe these programs are becoming quite common; however, I'm mostly concerned about finding a solidly Christian program with a Biblical perspective in their teaching.
Any help would be much appreciated.
God bless you and your writing. :-)
-Micaela
Thanks so much for this post, Jasmine! I agree whole-heartedly with everything you said!!!
I, for one, am on a very different path from where I was a couple of years ago. (Praise God!) I wanted to become a doctor (against my parents wishes) and "change the world" for Christ. Thankfully, the Lord got ahold of my heart and showed me, that, according to Scripture, my place was in the home, under my father's authority, until such time as I should marry.
And then I got all the "But.. what if..?" questions. And the "You're wasting your brain" comments. And the "What are you going to do for Christ" questions.
I'm content. I trust in the Sufficiency of Scripture, and the Sovereignty of our Savior! I can't spend my life pining over "What ifs". That's doubting the Sovereignty of God!! Do I have more control than God?! I'm definitely not wasting my brain... I read to much for that! I read books on a vast number of subjects, as diverse as farming, theology, and economics, and look at it as preparation, not only for being a suitable help-meet someday, but also a well-equipped, godly mother and home-educator! And it's usable RIGHT NOW as a daughter under my father's guidance, because (for the most part) I read about things that not only interest me, but my Daddy also. As far as what I'm doing for Christ... I try to live my life as a testimony to His grace and mercy, and point others to Him. One thing I realized recently was that really and truly, under that nice-sounding "work for Christ" facade, was really the desire for respect, admiration, and applause from the world, FOR MYSELF!!!
But anyways, thanks again, Jasmine for this excellent repost! :D I'm looking forward to your book!!!
Your Sister in Christ,
Amanda
www.deovindiceblog.blogspot.com
Jasmine,
THank you for such a wonderful, refreshing article - after the pressures from modern society and even Christian friends, it is wonderful to hear you say, "It was more important for me to remain under the protection of my father and the discipleship of my mother than it was for me to travel cross-country to sit under the discipleship of others. I believe my primary calling is towards my home, and there is no other place I’d rather be."
Amen! So many girls are choosing college and moving out, simply because it is the "thing to do," and they are afraid to take the stand to do something this radically weird. THANK YOU!!!!
Sarah
PS> By the way, we heard your father's college speech last year, and "amened" and laughed the whole way through. Too true!
Hey Jasmine,
All the verses that you quote are great, of course. I just fail to see how getting an education from a university automatizes its supposed authority over a student. I do not see how a student cannot be both a student at a university and most importantly continue to be under the authority of Christ and his/her parents (despite the fact that they are away from home in some cases.) Then they act as the main teachers, and the university becomes simply a resource to help obtain what should be a God-given, God-honoring goal.
I completely disagree with the notion that books are only a teaching tool. Books are teachers, authors are teachers; they can directly teach you something without the help of any middleman-teacher. You are right that they can be used by teachers or by anyone for that matter, to support certain ideas and this is where we must be careful and discerning. We must be careful and discerning when we are reading all on our own too, though, always asking the Holy Spirit to guide us.
What it comes down to is that what you consider a wholly unwise decision, can actually be a wise decision (in full accordance with all Biblical standards) that the Lord may be leading some of his other children to. Would you tell a young lady who, after much prayer and devotion to God’s Word, chose to pursue Social Work as a major at a university that she is utterly wrong in her decision? What if in her four years in the university she comes to be used by God in helping many come to know our Lord’s saving grace?
I also wanted to ask if you might think that everything taught at universities is completely worthless to a Christian because it is coming from seculars. If you do believe that I guess I can understand why you would so sternly oppose going to learn from professors at a college. Then I would also assume that you would not want to read any books written by secular authors. Is this correct?
Please be sure this is not at all a “reactionary need to defend my choice,” I simply see another side that is equally Biblical and God-honoring as what you present here. I think that perhaps I have caused you to write more antagonistically to what I am saying than you really are. I think you realize that the Lord might/will lead other young ladies differently from how He has lead you. Please let me know if this is not so.
I also wanted to say that I was very wrong to call your decision "selfish" on my reply after my first reading. Please accept my apology.
Under the Mercy
-vanesa
Hi, Vanessa,
To my understanding, a teacher is, by definition, and authority to which a student willfully submits his or herself. To teach is to inform and to guide -when a student goes to college, it is with the understanding that they can receive an education from a faculty that has been trained to guide them -they submit themselves to that education.
I don't think that submitting themselves to this education is inherently wrong... that's a decision that can only be made by examining the heart, which I am incapable of doing. If I had meant otherwise, I would have named the post "Don't Go to College" and answered the question "Do you think everyone should live like you?" with a resounding "YES!"
You see, this is why I wondered if you'd carefully read my post, or if you were just trying to give college girls a fair shake where I'd slighted them. Most people don't believe me when I say, "All I want to do is to encourage young ladies to rethink their presuppositions not only regarding education, but in regards to the aspirations that your education leads you to." But it's true: honestly, that's all I'm after. And if you've done that for yourself, there's no reason you need to defend your decision -or the decisions of other young women -to me. Who am *I* anyhow? ;-)
You said:
"I also wanted to ask if you might think that everything taught at universities is completely worthless to a Christian because it is coming from seculars. If you do believe that I guess I can understand why you would so sternly oppose going to learn from professors at a college."
What I "so sternly oppose" isn't learning from professors at a college, or the fact that "the Lord might/will lead other young ladies differently from how He has lead [me]," but the notion that you presented in your first comment (and the tone in the one following): that Christian young people ought to go to college -not primarily to learn from the teachers there, or to learn a trade -but to share the gospel... something that one simply does not have to go to college to do.
I still hold to what I said here:
"To go to college to receive an education is one thing -to go solely to evangelize is another entirely; in many instances, I can understand the first desire; however, as for the second, I cannot see the validity of encouraging young people to spend their time, money, and brain cells immersed in a secular environment so that they can make an impact --it's an impact we have yet to see in great numbers, in all the years that Christian students have been trying to evangelize their peers."
Which had very little to do with not believing that a young woman should go to college, and a lot more to do with what I see as an insufficient reason to do so.
We are to share the gospel wherever we go. If that "wherever" happens to take us to a college campus, so be it -but I would not advise a young woman -and took an issue with your advisement -to go to college for the sole purpose of evangelizing
-that's where our disconnect is.
You also wrote:
"Would you tell a young lady who, after much prayer and devotion to God’s Word, chose to pursue Social Work as a major at a university that she is utterly wrong in her decision? What if in her four years in the university she comes to be used by God in helping many come to know our Lord’s saving grace?"
Well, if asked, I would tell her exactly what I wrote here: to take this decision to the Lord in prayer, and to move forward under the counsel of her parents, and the counsel of God's Word, and to weigh her desires and ambitions in light of that counsel. But, as a general rule, I have far too much growing in grace to do to sit back and nitpick the decisions of other Christian young ladies from my stay-at-home daughter pedestal --I'm doing well enough to try to encourage without offending them. =)
Since I disagree with you that books are teachers, and still hold that they are merely tools for learning, yes, I do read secular books on a regular basis.
All wisdom is God's wisdom, and, because of common grace, some "seculars" (to coin your phrase) have been given a wonderful grasp and knack for communicating truth. When I was younger, I read their works under the guidance of my teachers -my mom and dad -and nowadays, I read them with my own discernment...
JUST as I believe a young woman at college can escape being inundated with a secularist worldview when she is armed with Christian discernment. I would no more question her salvation for choosing to go to college after much prayer and discussion with her parents than I would hope she would malign me for choosing a different path. This post was meant to encourage sound, biblical re-examination -I'm not asking anyone to pick "sides" -I wrote it from my perspective as a daughter who lives at home because... well... that's what I am. =)
If I were to go to our local community college to take a class, I would be submitting myself to the authority of a secular teacher for a time, for the purpose of learning something valuable for that teacher, and using the teacher as a tool to further my understanding and to glorify God... the same way I think you're saying that you are doing at your college. But I do disagree that we should try to encourage other young women that an evangelism opportunity is sufficient reasoning to use college -not as a resource -but as a place we *need* to be to minister to others, and not to be there is selfishness on our parts (thank you for your apology on that score).
If I misunderstood you as saying that "someone like me" a Christian -has a duty to go to college just to evangelize others, I am sorry -that was the notion I disagreed with.
I do apologize for my antagonistic tone. I do have a firm opinion on some of the issues that you brought up, but I am sincerely sorry for any pride or criticism you read in my responses. It can be difficult to get meanings across in a comment box (especially when you're as long-winded as I am), and, for the sake of brevity and clarity, I often read back over my responses to find that they sound "short." When I got your latest comment, I wished I could call you up on the phone or see you at church this Sunday so we could get to the bottom of things. ;-) However, since that's not possible, I hope you can better understand what I'm saying now.
May the Lord bless your path as he has most certainly blessed mine. I am walking the road I've chosen with full confidence that it's where the Lord would have me -I pray the same for you.
J
This is Abby again. I'm confused about one thing, so I was hoping you could clarify.
I know that many of us commenters are making a big deal on a simple post that encourages girls to think twice about what they spend thousands of dollars on, prepare for being a wife and mother, and not to miss the opportunities right where they are. However, I don't think your post implied in any way that college can be a ministry. We can serve God wherever we are. Wouldn't it be legalistic to say that college is wrong for all young women?
I just wanted to share this . . . I know a godly young lady who seeks God in all of her decisions. She attends the state university. She has a huge ministry and impact in discipleship and leading Bible studies. She befriends the non-Christian girls there and they can see her testimony lived out before them. She shares the gospel with others, and helped organize a 24/7 prayer team on the campus. That isn't a "college box" at all! She is one of those people that shine with inward beauty -- she has been such an encouragement to me.
And YES she served God at home as well, and still does. She IS honoring her parents, and in submission to them. She is NOT "in the counsel of the ungodly."
This young lady is just one of many examples I could give of the ministry-tool that college can be. Of course I could also give many examples of how God used the lives of girls who stayed home as well! There are so many different beautiful stories.
I could be wrong, but I think that God leads some of His children to college campuses to serve Him there -- just like He leads some of His children to stay at home.
Would you advise this girl to go back home?
Thank you, Jasmine. =) I appreciate your time. Again I enjoy your blog. I am a pastor's daughter too, so I find I have many things in common with you=)
Abby,
As I wrote Vanesa, the only way I would advise any young woman is if she asked for advice. I don't sit at home lying in wait for an opportunity to tell college girls to come home (however, if they choose to read my blog, I'm assuming they will understand that I write from the perspective of a stay-at-home daughter).
When a young woman asks me for advice, it is usually because she is confused, or perhaps she's conflicted, or maybe she's just looking for a different point of view. Therefore, when she seeks my input as a young woman living at home, I assume she wants to hear that advice from the perspective of a stay-at-home daughter. From my perspective, the home can be just as much (if not more) of a hub for ministry as any other profession.
This is all I have said, and I have never said otherwise. If college daughters would like to be encouraged in their walk by someone who has made the same choices that they have, there are a host of blogs and websites geared towards that encouragement; however, if they come here, I expect them to realize where my personal convictions have led me. I do, however, also hope that they take my words at face value, and not to search for hidden implications meant to condemn them.
Thank you for sharing your story; I have friends who have chosen to stay at home, and friends who attend college as well. I must state that most of them have not thrived as your friend has, although some certainly have, as your friend has.
I'm a brave girl, Abby -I don't usually speak in implications. =) If I believed that college was wrong for all young women, I would have said it; as it is, though, I think *most* young women would do well to reconsider the automatic assumption made upon graduating high school: that college is a must. The decision just should not be that easy or second-nature for us -it should be something we wrestle with, with the aid of our parents, with the aid of God's Word, and with the aid of any other godly counsel we can find, as is any decision that puts us in a learning position or takes so many funds.
It's not a box that al young women are going to fit into -and neither is stay-at-home daughterhood. But I'm always going to talk about what I know here; those who are offended by my perspective are more than free to find one that better suits their interest.
Again, I hope I don't sound harsh or unkind, but many of the comments taking issue with this post have been made with an underlying assumption that is nowhere in the article, or in my mindset.
I am sorry for misunderstanding you, Jasmine. Thank you for taking the time once again to explain further.
May God bless you as you serve Him.
Abby
Hi, Abby,
Thank you for your apology -I really do hope that I have explained fully. =)
I apologize in turn, again, if I was harsh with you, or unkind in any way.
May the Lord continue to bless and guide you as well!
J
I've been following the comments on this blog through my gmail. Something has been baffling me throughout the whole post. What am I about to say is geared to both the reader and the author.
From a British perspective, I really believe that a Stay at Home Daughter will not be looked upon as "weird" or "different". The past few days I have been thinking about all my friends who stay at home to study either long distance or who choose t commute to University daily, they are Stay at Home Daughters. However, they never give themselves that label.
I think if I met an American Stay at Home Daughter, I would not at all be "freaked" out that they chose to stay at home, I would be "freaked" out that you thought that you were going against "social norms".
I just thought I would share from other side of the Atlantic that maybe Stay at Home Daughter's should really enjoy their time staying at home as single women and not at all feel inadequate.
By the way my sister is reading this ( she's 12 years old) she just asked me ; "What's a stay at home daughter...is it like me who stays at home". I found this quite funny, so in England this concept would not be understood.
Beverly,
LOVE it. I never use the term "stay at home daughter" outside of the blogosphere (I've actually written before about how I don't even like it)-to my family and friends, I'm just a girl who lives at home while getting my degree through distance-learning and pursuing my interests within my family. Still, I get a lot of comments about how weird that is and how I really oughtn't feel "forced" to live at home.
I lived in the UK for a year more than ten years ago, and the social landscape is a bit different from what it is here -I have a lot of people who have definitely communicated to me that I'm an abnormality; I think, more than anything else, people assume that, because I live at home, I'm looking down on everyone who is not doing the same. I'm thinking of writing a post about our tendency as American Christians to balk and become defensive about a new idea rather than just evaluating it biblically, and then moving on to do what's best for them.
Definitely, from my time in the UK (and from more recent visits since) the British tend to be a lot less sensitive about a difference of lifestyles. In Northern Ireland, my life's choices were met with, "That sounds great! That's something I've never thought about!" Totally not the norm here.
Hi there, Jasmine!
I just want to say that I know you've taken some heat for this article - and I know you can take it. :-) Still, I want you to know that there's someone out there who, even though she doesn't agree with you, appreciates how you stated your viewpoint. It really helped me understand the philosophy of your choice. I didn't catch a hint of self-righteousness in your article. (And, I really don't know what people expect when they come to the website of a stay-at-home daughter - a website extolling the virtues of the collegiate experience? :)
Anyway, just wanted to express that I understand where you're coming from, even though we differ. After all, I'm an old earth creationist, not Calvinist (would that be Arminian, Wesleyan or UnReformed? :), and college bound, among other things we may disagree on. I enjoy a lively debate, but sometimes differences are differences and nothing is going to change that. :)
So anyway, thanks for expressing your views with grace.
Hey, Arleen,
Thank you so much -I really appreciate that. =)
Going away to college for me was possibly one of the best decisions I made under my circumstances. However, I believe my motive to go may have had more to do with finding Mr. Right (I went to a Christian university) than anything else. My dad even said if I wanted to find a Christian husband I should go. But...
I've come to disagree with that piece of advice. Though God can bring people together that way I believe the best and first place to start with looking for Mr. or Mrs. Right is in your local church.
I went away to college at about 21 years of age out of state...moved back home at about 26...met Mr. Right soon thereafter in my local church (though we didn't know we were right for each other at the time).
I appreciate that you have left this open as a matter of personal prayer and calling. God knows what each of needs to go through in order to learn the lessons He wants to teach us. The important part is that we have to all be life-long learners, regardless of the circumstances that surround us.
God used my college experiences to show me how much more I need to be searching His Word for answers, to better solidify what and why I believe and to give me a boldness with which to speak. He's using my kids to teach me patience. He's using my business to teach me when to hold my tongue. And He's using all of it to teach me that I can do all things through Him (Philippians 4:13). Other people could have learned these lessons through other paths, but God knew what path I needed to take in order to submit myself to His instruction.
Am I using the degrees I earned while in college? Not really. I officially have two M.R.S. degrees and no desire for employment outside the home. Am I a good homemaker? The stack of dishes in the kitchen says otherwise. I'm a total discredit to my mother and grandmother, who both served multiple times as the president of their local chapter of Extension Homemakers. Was this all in God's plan for me? I think so...and I'm still learning.
I would encourage all young ladies nearing "the college years" to prayerfully consider both options and seek godly counsel from parents, pastors, teachers and mentors (Proverbs 15:22). If you feel you are called in the direction of college, ask God for wisdom, guidance and protection as you enter an environment that is likely more hostile and lacking in support than you may be accustomed. If this is your calling and finances seem to be an obstacle, ask God for His provision, that you might not become indebted to any other but Him (Proverbs 22:7). If you feel you are called to continue at home, ask God to show you where and how He intends you to be used for His service, remembering that a calling to continue at home is not an exemption from the Great Commission (Matthew 28:19, 20). With either path, continue in prayer and study of His Word that He may continue to guide your steps (Psalm 119:11). We're all in the mission field!
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